A couple thoughts

1. Doe anyone else feel like Robin Young is about to start reading some really sexy porn when you hear her voice on NPR? No? Really? It’s just me?

2. What is going on in the Middle East is really freaking me out. War with Lebanon? This hasn’t happened for over a decade. And while I’m not sure whether Israel is doing the right thing (only history will tell us that), I ask people who are quick to judge her – and there are a lot of them out there, enough that it makes my anti-semitic conspiracy radar beep like mad – to consider a few things first. If terrorists operating out of Montreal starting firing rockets at Boston, rockets funded by the governments of Quebec and Ontario, wouldn’t you think the people of Massachusetts should take action to defend themselves? For those of you in another part of the country – if Vancouver, B.C. started firing rockets at Seattle, rockets funded by British Columbia and Alberta, wouldn’t you feel like the people of Washington had a right to defend themselves? Just think about how it feels to be surrounded by people who hate you, how it feels to have to defend your right to exist every day for the last 50+ years, before you judge Israel’s actions.

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~ by realsupergirl on July 14, 2006.

13 Responses to “A couple thoughts”

  1. but feel like i have to.

    the israeli – palestinian conflict is filled with bad actors and actions.

    however, I must say that for me at least, i’ve never seen the conflict as being (for me, anyway — i know that plenty do) about anti Semitism, or anti Palestinian for that matter —

    for me, the wars have always been about the perennial conflict of brown vs white, colonialism vs indigenous peoples.

    i don’t know the answer, but perhaps because of my own background, I’ve always sympathized more with the Palestinians.

  2. I am personally not so quick to judge– I don’t know if Israel is right or wrong in what it is doing.

    But one thing that comes to mind is that I don’t think the US would just send bombs back over the border to Canada if it were terrorists–not the government military–attacking Washington/us. (Of course I could be wrong. We sure didn’t have any problem invading Afghanistan– but that doesn’t mean what we did was right, in my opinion.)

    I heard a person in Lebanon in the hospital who had been injured in the Israeli attack saying they did not even support the terrorist group and asking why Israel was attacking civilians. I don’t have the answer, but it was a difficult question to hear….

    Scary times for sure….

  3. The problem is that in the Middle East, the terrorists are so embedded in society, you cannot separate them from the country and the citizens. Lebanon has been a puppet government of Syria and Iran for decades now, and Hizbollah is funded by those countries. Israeli policy is to minimize the harm to actual people, which is why they are attacking infrastructure to try and make it harder for the terrorists to operate. But it’s a tough choice to have to make.

  4. I don’t think you’re alone. The media does a good job of portraying the Israelis as “bad” and the Palestinians as “good.” Hell, the U.N. does a good job of perpetuating that myth – they’ve censured Israeli dozens of times of the years, never once have the censured an Arab or Muslim country for similar actions.

    I was just reading the current Wikipedia definition of “Palestinian people”. The irony is that before 1948 anyone (Jewish or Muslim) who was living in Palestine was Palestinian. There are still, today, Jewish Palestinians, because by the “offical” definition it’s anyone who lived there up until 1947. But it’s a smokescreen. It’s a political catchphrase lumping a group of people who are as disparate as any other group in the Middle East in religion, culture, and belief system.

  5. Well, ok. But I still see it as dispossessed people who were dispossessed by European fiat.

  6. It’s true. I don’t deny that. But I believe both people have a right to be there, have a right to the land, and how do find a way for that to happen peacefully, when one side (PLO, Hamas) openly calls for the destruction of the other side? Where is there room for compromise in there? I wish I knew the answer.

  7. 1948: Europeans, feeling guilty about the Holocaust, and the US, intent on breaking up the British Empire, needed to put the displaced Jews somewhere. Without WWII, Israel wouldn’t be what it is today.

  8. They could release a few of their thousands of hostages maybe instead of killing lots more civilians, or you know, the US could stop propping up yet another puppet regime and let the locals figure it out for themselves.

    I’ve always liked Israel as a concept but this crap since 2000 has been continuing for no other reason than the arrogance of the Israeli military. The intifada started when Israel started shooting into a crowd near Temple Mount, and look, they’re still killing civilians, how noble.

    The government of Lebanon does not control Hizbollah and I thought it was generally common knowledge, threatening the Lebanese government is just wasteful and mean.

    So they lost a few soldiers, they were soldiers, completely unlike the who knows how many families who’ve been blown up by the Israelis the last few months alone. I thought Olmert would be better than Sharon, this new attack makes me think I have it reversed.

  9. From Wikipedia:
    “Hezbollah is an active participant in the political life and processes of Lebanon, and its scope of operation is far beyond its initial militant one. In 1992, it participated in elections for the first time, winning 12 out of 128 seats in parliament. It won 10 seats in 1996, and 8 in 2000. In the general election of 2005, it won 23 seats nationwide, and an Amal-Hezbollah alliance won all 23 seats in Southern Lebanon. Since the end of the Israeli occupation in southern Lebanon on May 22, 2000, Hezbollah has been involved in activities like building schools, clinics, and hospitals. As a political entity, Hezbollah is dedicated to the destruction of Israel.”

    Basically, Hizbollah is the Lebanese equivalent of Hamas. They provide social infrastructure as well as terrorist activity. Iran and Syria, considering them to be a “legitimate resistance movment” as they do Hamas, provides a great deal of economic and political support for them.

    I agree, the government does not control Hizbollah. That’s part of the problem – they have no control over them, yet they are a prominant part of political life in Lebanon. But if a militia group in this country attacked another country, I would expect that that country would demand we root out the militia and prosecute them to the full extent of the law. Lebanon, Syria, and Iran have never done this. the Palestinian Authority have never done this with Hamas or Fatah.

  10. Hummm, I ascribe to the idea of “do what you like as long as it doesn’t hurt anyone else”. I think both sides are incredibly wrong in what they chose to do each and every day. I think that both sides are living in terror and the garbage that terror creates. And I think that both sides need to find PEACEFUL people to come to the table to discuss…and their edict should ring out…anyone who can’t follow it is free to find another palce to live. Thats what I think. Its not fair that an entire world, much less the whole Arab-Israeli construct, suffers because of vengence. Stop the fucking guns man. I know that Isreal has a right to defend itself. I support the defense of your person and family. I also know that reactionary measures to show who is strongest is not working.
    I think we should gather up 50 palistinian women and 50 israeli women who have had their children killed in this conflict, and bring them together in a room. Not let them go home to their families until they come up with a solution. I seriously doubt that THEY would have a problem with ending the fighting and finding peaceful means.

  11. You know, your solution sounds pretty good to me. Seriously.
    Perhaps you should write a letter to Olmert, Abbas, and Ms. Condi Rice and suggest they try it.

    I also wish we could just kick the extremists on both sides out, and ban weapons entirely – from Israel, Palestine, Iran, Syria, Lebanon, Iraq, Saudia Arabia, etc, etc. Oh, and from the U.S., too. But of course the problem is, for the solution to work, we have to take weapons away from everyone, and find a place to send those extremists who can’t agree.

  12. The Palestinian Authority was putting Hamas and Fatah bombers in prison up until a few weeks after the Israeli army started shooting into that crowd on Temple Mount in Fall 2000. Arafat opened up the jails way back then, but when he said a few years later that the PA would finally accept the deal offered by Clinton/Barak that fell apart in Fall 2000 over the right of return for refugees, Sharon had Arafat’s offices held under siege, bulldozed, and his staff shot either by snipers or by remote control from construction equipment.

    To answer your question, if the Montana Freemen or some other arch-conservative movement started to invade Canada, and Canada threatened Washington in return, I would mourn for Canada’s imminent future and bemoan their loss of sense.

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